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NobleJms
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What is a lich?
      #2971977 - 08/26/04 09:09 AM

Hello guys, last night I just downloaded The Illuminated Order because everyone was saying it's very good and professional. The main theme of the mod seems to center around lich. What exactly is a lich and what does it do? Though before I've played Warcraft 3 in which there's a lich king, I never know what it is. Maybe it's time I find that out. So, what is a lich?

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Re: What is a lich? [Re: NobleJms]
      #2971983 - 08/26/04 09:13 AM

Lich.

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Re: What is a lich? [Re: slategrey]
      #2972027 - 08/26/04 09:47 AM

A lich is a mage that falls to the dark magics, submiting himself to dark magic (kind of like the dark side of the force in Star Wars) to become stronger.

They then proceed to get stronger and stronger, absorbing all knowlege possible, to the point of acquiring immortality and controlling magic like a second skin.

Liches are loners, since most people dont really feel good at staying near demonic undead with no mercy.

They eventually get strong enough to level entire cities and armies.

They are basically really really strong, and Immortal, mages.

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Re: What is a lich? [Re: NobleJms]
      #2972036 - 08/26/04 09:51 AM

"A dead body; a corpse." (src: Dictionary.com)

"The term lich comes from the Old English lic, (pronounced the same) which means "corpse"; an alternative spelling is 'liche'." (src: Wikipedia)

The standard-fantasy meaning of it is: "In the Dungeons & Dragons fantasy role-playing game, a lich is a spellcaster who seeks to defy death by magical means." (src: Wikipedia)

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Re: What is a lich? [Re: Torpulf]
      #2972066 - 08/26/04 10:02 AM

lich picture cause a picture is worth a thousand words , this particular picture seams to be a clan gathering or perhaps the lich may have converted himself and several apprentecises to act as bodyguards or as the main lich themself, then if the town catches the apprentice (not likely) and kills/ puts it out of action (VERY unlikely) then the main lich can work his unseen magic and slowly destroy the town/ city

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Re: What is a lich? [Re: NobleJms]
      #2972093 - 08/26/04 10:11 AM

Unlike most undead which are created by other undead or by the desires of a Necromatic spellcaster trying to create servants, the lich is basically an undead entity that was self created.

A magician that wishes to 'live forever' takes steps so that when they pass on from the realm of the living, their essence will continue to go on in the form of a horrid creature.

Liches are extremely frightening because they keep the abilities they had in death, which means most of them are very powerful spellcasters. Also, unlike your more common garden variety of undead, liches rate as high as geniuses for intelligence, making them a more formidable opponent.

It is rumored that anyone killed by a lich becomes their servant in the afterlife, a rumor that has yet to be proven. I mean, how many skeletons do you stand around and chit chat with?


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Re: What is a lich? [Re: Mystara]
      #2972179 - 08/26/04 10:49 AM

Ahh, the Liches in Daggerfall were sweet.

Nothing like a low level character getting blasted 10 feet into a wall from a shock spell.

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Re: What is a lich? [Re: NobleJms]
      #2972525 - 08/26/04 01:23 PM

A lich is a smart zombie.

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Re: What is a lich? [Re: yian]
      #2972638 - 08/26/04 01:57 PM

I thought "Undead Evil Mage of quite bowel emptying scariness" summed it up quite nicely.

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Re: What is a lich? [Re: slategrey]
      #2972655 - 08/26/04 02:02 PM

a smart skeleton that casts meen spells on you

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Re: What is a lich? [Re: slategrey]
      #2972664 - 08/26/04 02:05 PM

Quote:

I thought "Undead Evil Mage of quite bowel emptying scariness" summed it up quite nicely.




Simple, accurate and effective. Yup -quite nicely.

I've heard it pronounced LICK, LEEK and LITCH -so which is it?

I like the ones that are just floating skulls -they're still called Lichs, right? NWN -Hordes of the Underdark had a pretty tough one -who was originally a Dwarf.

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Re: What is a lich? [Re: ]
      #2972680 - 08/26/04 02:09 PM

Quote:

Quote:

I thought "Undead Evil Mage of quite bowel emptying scariness" summed it up quite nicely.




Simple, accurate and effective. Yup -quite nicely.

I've heard it pronounced LICK, LEEK and LITCH -so which is it?

I like the ones that are just floating skulls -they're still called Lichs, right? NWN -Hordes of the Underdark had a pretty tough one -who was originally a Dwarf.




The floating skulls are called Lichni. They are kinda like magical vampire Liches. Instead of sucking blood, they suck magic. Muahahahahahaha. . . . I mean ......yeah.

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Re: What is a lich? [Re: ]
      #2972681 - 08/26/04 02:09 PM

The floating skulls are demi-liches. They are probably the most powerful non-god creature in D&D. They have moved beyond good and evil, ultimately leaving the material plane to quest for greater knowledge.

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Re: What is a lich? [Re: CBCRonin]
      #2972810 - 08/26/04 02:40 PM

Lich» Blood sucking white bunny that likes to wear a black leather swimsuit, cowboy hat, and cowboy boots...Very power creature...
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Re: What is a lich? [Re: CBCRonin]
      #2972834 - 08/26/04 02:45 PM

Of all the Ad&d versions of ravenloft monsters, I think the lich is the most fantasy based one; the other archetypes (vampires, ghosts & even golems) have deeply established mainstream image. I mean, most of their distintitve features (undead magician, Phlactery, psychological outlook) have been developed over the course of the evolution of AD&D. I personaly feel that the real lich experience has never been properly done in CRPG....you would have to plan in advance many details that would make the experience excedingly tough to play through, since they are supposed to be ultra smart, and have decades to execute their plans & to buff up their lairs & servants.
It´s my favorite undead; a creature that wills itself to live forever, to attain all the possible knowledge it can from this plane, and then go on to study the realms of the gods themselves....I suddenly feel the nostalgic urge to go through my Van Richten Guide to Liches...login out

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Re: What is a lich? [Re: NobleJms]
      #2972855 - 08/26/04 02:52 PM

Limitlessly
Intelliectual
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that my friends is the definition of a lich.

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Re: What is a lich? [Re: CABRON]
      #2972864 - 08/26/04 02:54 PM

I was actually able to defeat the demi-liche in Baldur's Gate 2 without losing a single party member. Even the game guides had said it was impossible, and I owe it all to summoned monsters and Lilacor.

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Re: What is a lich? [Re: ]
      #2972902 - 08/26/04 03:05 PM

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I've heard it pronounced LICK, LEEK and LITCH -so which is it?




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Re: What is a lich? [Re: Juggalo0504]
      #2972919 - 08/26/04 03:10 PM

i belive its
li, like lilly
ch, like itch

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Re: What is a lich? [Re: scifiguy52]
      #2972930 - 08/26/04 03:13 PM

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i belive its
li, like lilly
ch, like itch




thats how i say it

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Re: What is a lich? [Re: CBCRonin]
      #2972952 - 08/26/04 03:22 PM

That´s exactly my point...going up a door, opening it a fighting a demi lich out of nowhere....where´s the buildup? I mean, that little skull could have been morte having a bad tanturum affter waking up. The real lich experience is more along the lines of the Iluminated order...searching for the lich without knowing what your getting into...lookig for clues, facing his minions, and relasing that maybe you are dealing with something more than you can handle...not opening a damn crypt and finding a magic bag of bones spoling for a fight for not even a faint "my name is the Screaming Skull, and I´m a lich"

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Re: What is a lich? [Re: NobleJms]
      #2973147 - 08/26/04 06:38 PM

lich

\Lich\ (l[i^]ch), n. [AS. l[=i]c body. See Like, a.] A dead body; a corpse. [Obs.]

Lich fowl (Zo["o]l.), the European goatsucker; -- called also lich owl.

Lich gate, a covered gate through which the corpse was carried to the church or burial place, and where the bier was placed to await the clergyman; a corpse gate. [Prov. Eng.] --Halliwell.

Lich wake, the wake, or watching, held over a corpse before burial. [Prov Eng.] --Chaucer.

Lich wall, the wall of a churchyard or burying ground.

Lich way, the path by which the dead are carried to the grave. [Prov. Eng.]



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Re: What is a lich? [Re: scifiguy52]
      #2973160 - 08/26/04 06:41 PM

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i belive its
li, like lilly
ch, like itch




thats how i used to say it, but real english pronounciation can be either like or liche (li in like, che in cheese)

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Re: What is a lich? [Re: Miral007]
      #2973446 - 08/26/04 08:21 PM

It should be said like like.

I think we've beaten this subject to death, and it has failed to return in the form of its subject.

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Re: What is a lich? [Re: TSBasilisk]
      #2973987 - 08/26/04 11:01 PM

all you really need to know about liches, in my belief they are just powerfull necromancers who have attained an ultimate power, and upon sacrificing themselves unto oblivion if deemed worthy they are granted immortality, along with powers that far exceed what they could ever have dreamed to recieve in their mortal existance. ......damn that makes me wish i was a liche...

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Re: What is a lich? [Re: Miral007]
      #2976608 - 08/27/04 05:47 PM

Quote:

Quote:

i belive its
li, like lilly
ch, like itch




thats how i used to say it, but real english pronounciation can be either like or liche (li in like, che in cheese)




I find that rather strange since your own little dictionary excerpt didn't have that pronounciation anywhere and neither does any other dictionaries I have tried. So I will say it with the "ch" like in "cheese"...

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Re: What is a lich? [Re: Pikka_Bird]
      #2976963 - 08/27/04 07:17 PM

You're right. I took a look at that was a Chaucer spelling of the word which is now "like". Lich is indeed pronounced with a "ch" sound".

Now please, STOP BUMPING THIS TOPIC.

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